Tuesday, February 5, 2008

How Aggressive?

Those who play no-limit hold 'em are probably familiar with the four types of poker players:
Tight Passives ("Rocks"). They play few hands (good ones) and usually check or call when they do, raising only if they have the immortal nuts. They're timid and ultimately unsuccessful players. You can bluff and bully them to no end. But it's hard to make money off them because they fold at the slightest hint of aggression. Naturally, they don't make much money themselves.

Loose Passives ("Calling Stations"). They play lots of hands (even marginal and bad ones) but seldom raise, preferring to check and call in hopes that their hand will improve and win. You want these people at your table more than any other type of player: a guaranteed source of revenue. They chase straight draws, flush draws, for wrong pot odds, and don't like to fold. But because of this, it's hard to bluff them. You have to bet for value. They're bad poker players ("fish") and lose money religiously.

Tight Aggressives ("Killers"). They play few hands (good ones) and go for the jugular when they do, raising and reraising to build pots and take them down. You don't want too many of them at your table, because they don't give much action (though they can be bluffed because of this) but mean business when they finally come after you. Their predictability can be their weakness if they don't loosen up occasionally. And because they sit around waiting for good hands, they have a hard time laying them down when they're beat.

Loose Aggressives ("Maniacs"). They play lots of hands (even marginal and bad ones) and want to dominate the table by raising and reraising, with a lot of bluffing and semi-bluffing -- and they're hard to bluff in turn. You'll fear and resent them if you're a timid player, but love them if you're experienced because of the revenue they provide. They're the center of attention at the table: they win big, lose big, and crave action.
Most poker books and online sources (see here and here for example) recommend the tight-aggressive style of playing, and that's certainly the one I'd advise for beginners. If you play tight-aggressive, then you play "good poker". You play the right hands from the right positions and are patient enough to fold and sit out the rest. You raise and fold more often than you check and call. That's the solid wisdom taught in great books like Phil Gordon's Little Green Book and Dan Harrington's three-volume classic. But in recent years more experts have been promoting loose aggressive as the superior style. Which is it?

I agree with this strategist who advocates loose aggressive as the style you eventually want to master. Tight aggressives (like tight passives) have an Achilles' heel underscored by Doyle Brunson: "they don't get their really good hands paid off because they make a move so rarely that their hands are an open-book whenever they do." (Super System, p 422) Tight players can be predictable and thus easy to avoid. True, they're not prone to lose money like loose players; but they may not make much either -- especially in today's world where hold 'em has become so popular that everyone plays tight aggressive. Loose players have an advantage because people are never sure what they're holding.

But loose aggressive a difficult and dangerous style to play (trust me, I've only begun trying to master it). Amateurs who try dominating the table this way are bound to lose their stacks. They're called "maniacs" for a reason. If you don't know what you're doing, it's only a question of time before your bankroll gets smashed. But with enough practice you can really make this style work for you. If you're a good psychologist and know your opponents, use the right mixture of bluffs and semi-bluffs -- and know precisely when to tighten up in the right doses when people start coming after you -- then the loose aggressive style becomes very profitable.

You have to be willing to lose battles so you can win the war. Occasionally I'll make myself look like an idiot and call with bad cards so people won't take me seriously. Then it's only a matter of time before I get paid off. Sometimes I'll play a hand without even looking at it. As Mike Caro emphasizes in his new book, you want people to think you're stupid. It serves you in the long run.

While I personally think loose aggressives have the edge in no-limit hold 'em, it's possible to be play either style of aggression and be successful -- so long as you can switch gears and play the opposite style when you need to. Think of tight/loose as being on a sliding scale. It's the poles you want to avoid. Play too solid and you'll become frustrated when everyone shuts down on you or you get bad-beat. Play like a kamikaze and you'll lose loads of money through stupidity. Find your style, but change gears often enough so that people can't figure you out. Phil Gordon, Howard Lederer, and Dan Harrington are tight aggressive players. Doyle Brunson, Gus Hansen, and Dan Negreanu are loose aggressive. But none is a slave to his style. Good players, especially the pros, always adapt and do the unexpected. The key is aggression. Passive players don't stand a chance.

5 comments:

Gary said...

Hey Loren,

I've been playing a lot of Hold Em over the past month at a site called National League of Poker (NLOP.com if you ever want to check it out). They just use advertising revenue to create tournament prizes, so it's an interesting combination of playing for free but also being competitive since you CAN win something (I won $30 so far).

Anyhow, the only thing I would want to add to your post here is how important it is to play in a way that benefits you against the specific opponents you are playing.

One example I had today: I had a very loose, very aggressive player seated right behind me on a 10 player table in a tournament. It was a bit annoying as I wanted to be able to see some flops cheap but always had to worry about being raised. However, there is a wonderful thing you can do in this situation. I went in with AQ one hand and paired my A. There was one other caller and Mr Loosey Goosy. The right play? Check my pair. Sure enough he put in a big raise, other player drops and I reraise. He's stuck with 76 with no hope of matching anything out there and I clean up.

Gary said...

Oh, and one other point. I've noticed that table image isn't quite so important if you are playing online. Unless you are playing like a maniac, most people won't notice how you play most of the time.

I've also read somewhere (probably from Sklansky) that being perceived as a rock can have tremendous advantages at times. If you are playing against Dan Harrington and he puts in a big raise against your marginal hand, I imagine you are going to respect it.

Anyhow, look forward to seeing more from you on poker.

Loren Rosson III said...

Paul wrote:

I've been playing a lot of Hold Em over the past month at a site called National League of Poker (NLOP.com if you ever want to check it out). They just use advertising revenue to create tournament prizes, so it's an interesting combination of playing for free but also being competitive since you CAN win something (I won $30 so far)

That's interesting, Paul. Thanks for mentioning it. After weeks of play-money on Facebook I started the real deal at Full Tilt Poker, and I'll never go back to play. People don't take it seriously enough and it fosters bad poker-playing -- Jesus, you've typically got five or six people on the flop! In the real world, usually two or three (or no) players get to see the flop. But the combination you mention sounds interesting. Congratulations on your winnings.

Anyhow, the only thing I would want to add to your post here is how important it is to play in a way that benefits you against the specific opponents you are playing.

Yes, definitely. A no-limit proverb states that when you're playing against a lot of loose players you want to tighten up, and vice-versa. Aim for the opposite style of those you're surrounded with. No-limit is a people game above all else, involving psychological manipulation and being able to switch gears according to who arrives at the table. (That applies less to limit because it's such a mechanical game. That's why I'm not interested in limit.) Thanks for emphasizing this.

One example I had today: I had a very loose, very aggressive player seated right behind me on a 10 player table in a tournament. It was a bit annoying as I wanted to be able to see some flops cheap but always had to worry about being raised.

I hear you. You want loose aggressives in front of you. Behind you they're dangerous.

However, there is a wonderful thing you can do in this situation. I went in with AQ one hand and paired my A. There was one other caller and Mr Loosey Goosy. The right play? Check my pair. Sure enough he put in a big raise, other player drops and I reraise. He's stuck with 76 with no hope of matching anything out there and I clean up.

That's the beauty to playing with loose aggressives. You can slow-play them with a good hand and let them do your betting for you -- and then, as you say, come back with a reraise. Sometimes they'll end up having a good hand (loose aggressives do have good hands on occasion), but more often than not they're playing marginal stuff. Good play.

Oh, and one other point. I've noticed that table image isn't quite so important if you are playing online. Unless you are playing like a maniac, most people won't notice how you play most of the time.

Sometimes this is true -- especially in online tournaments -- but in cash games you have to be more careful. On Full Tilt Poker you can makes notes about players by clicking on their avatars, and believe me, people do this. ("Loves to chase draws." "Backs down when you put him all-in." Etc.) And you'd be surprised how often you see familiar names and faces back at the tables. And they remember you too.

I've also read somewhere (probably from Sklansky) that being perceived as a rock can have tremendous advantages at times. If you are playing against Dan Harrington and he puts in a big raise against your marginal hand, I imagine you are going to respect it.

Rocks (tight-passives) can hold their own in limit hold em, but I don't think they stand a chance in no-limit. (Slansky's books are for limit, BTW.) Harrington isn't a rock though, he's a killer (tight-aggressive). But yes, I generally respect a raise from any tight player... even if I'm going to decide to play right back at him.

Anyhow, look forward to seeing more from you on poker.

I look forward to more of your comments. Thanks!

Gary said...

I've got two Sklansky books I've been referring to a lot, since they have tons of good insights throughout. One is Hold 'Em Poker for Advanced Players, Sklansky and Malmuth (originally from 1988, edited in 1999, and written more for limit Hold Em) and also No Limit Hold 'Em: Theory and Practice by Sklansky and Ed Miller (2006).

Reading Sklansky is like reading Chess analysis. It is slow going, but has a certain inescapable logic to it.

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